When it comes to the HB2 controversy, we can all agree on at least one thing: that individuals must have the right to run their businesses based on their sincerely held beliefs, regardless of what those beliefs are.
This week I had dinner with a friend and her family and, not surprisingly, HB2 came up in conversation. It is first worth noting that, as we spoke, I mentioned that according to HB2, individuals who have undergone gender reassignment surgery may use the restroom that correlates with the gender on their birth certificate. I consider every person at that table to be well-informed – but not one of them had ever heard this. My friend remarked that not only had she never heard this from the media, but that it changed the entire conversation about the so-called “anti-LGBT” House Bill 2.
She’s absolutely right. The media have framed their stories about HB2 using talking points from liberal activists. There is a flagrant disregard for the truth – for what is actually written in the bill. And North Carolinians are sick of it.
Anyway, my friend, like many, is frustrated with politics in general, does not identify with a party, and even kind of likes Bernie Sanders, if only because he calls Hillary Clinton on her double standards. We don’t always agree on politics, but as the conversation progressed, it was clear we agreed on this: the government has no right to tell business owners how to run their businesses.
After seven Charlotte City Council members passed an ordinance that conflicted with the sentiment of 70 percent of North Carolinians, the General Assembly passed HB2, which not only addressed the unlawful Charlotte ordinance, but also solidified protections for business owners to operate their places of business without government butting in.
While it is important to champion the protections that HB2 provides women and children in restrooms and locker rooms, it is also important to champion the win for business owners. HB2 is a win for business owners of all faiths who deserve the freedom to run their establishments in compliance with their own sincerely held beliefs, not government mandates.
It is exactly this freedom that Bruce Springsteen and Ringo Starr and PayPal are enjoying when they choose to not provide services to North Carolinians. More power to them. No true conservative will begrudge them that right. But let’s be consistent. They should recognize the same rights when they are exercised by ordinary people who aren’t rock stars or big corporations.
Once we sift through the media narrative and get to the facts, I think we can all agree on this: no rock star, business owner, wedding photographer, baker, member of the clergy, or anyone else should be forced to provide services when it violates their personal beliefs.
Lonnie says
It was the “sincerely held beliefs” of many Jim Crow era business owners that they had a right to refuse service to people of color as well as those of the Jewish faith.
If you have a public business you responsibility is to serve the public without regard to their race, religion, gender or sexual orientation.
Pinto says
So, Lonnie, you agree that those bigoted gaystapo goose-steppers Bruce Springsteen, Bryan Adams, Michael Moore, RapePal, and all the fascist corporate hypocrites you’ve been citing as moral authorities should be forced to serve North Carolina and those of us you despise despite their (allegedly) “sincerely held beliefs” that we shouldn’t be “discriminating” against sexual predators by forbidding them legal access to girls’ and women’s rooms? You agree that all of you washed-up leftard hate-mongering fascists should face hefty fines and be forced to apologize publicly for your hatred and bigotry against us?
No, of course you don’t because you’re a flaming hypocrite, you child-abusing bigot. That’s not too surprising coming from the party of the KKK, the Black Panthers, La Raza, and all the other racists (e.g. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton) who control you treasonous racist Commies to this day. So, are you going to admit that discriminating against rapists and child molesters and their misogynist enablers (like you, Lonnie) is right, and people should be allowed to deny you service for any reason and none? Are you going to admit that the leftards denying their “services” to North Carolina are just like Jim Crow era business owners who had indeed a libertarian right to refuse service to “people of color” or Jewish faith or anyone whose face they just didn’t like for some reason? Or do these “public” businesses have a “responsibility” to “serve” us without regard to our race (even if it’s Caucasian), religion (even if it’s Christianity or Islam), gender (even if it’s relentlessly “cis-gender”), or sexual orientation (even if it’s straight as an arrow)?
Either way, you leftard parasites lose business and money and are regarded as pariahs, which is as should be. I’m rather glad the fat fascist Moore is planning on keeping his seditious anti-American hate movies out of North Carolina (though I wonder how he plans on enforcing that). Same goes for all the other gaystapo goose-steppers and anti-Constitutional traitors opposing our freedom of association, freedom of conscience, and freedom of religion.
Clearly, we need to pass a national version of HB2 to drive all you America-hating traitors out to Cuba or North Korea or Turkey or Saudi Arabia or one of those numerous other places with whom you hypocrites have been doing business even as they slaughter perverts like you.
Pinto says
I guess all these females and homosexuals in the “public” business of air travel have a responsibility to serve Iran without regard to race, religion, gender or sexual orientation, according to that hypocrite Lonnie:
http://www.tornosnews.gr/en/world-news/15528-air-france-gay-and-female-airline-cabin-staff-refuse-to-fly-to-iran.html
Also, they owe the Ayatollah one free blowjob apiece in apology for their Islamophobia, though if they’re fortunate, he won’t collect. (You never know with some Muslims, though: a lot of the guys in power in those Islamic countries figure no sexual act is actually immoral for them as long as they’re the ones on top.)
Pinto says
Hey Lonnie, bake Adolf Hitler Campbell a cake, or you’re just like a Jim Crow era business owner refusing service to blacks, you racist!
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28269290/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/-year-old-hitler-cant-get-name-cake/
Pinto says
Hey Lonnie, why are you equating blacks and Jews to sex offenders like these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwMJAFWLtQ
You racist!
Larry says
Lonnie,
You might as well shut down and go back to banging on pots and pans at conservative rallies.Pinto is kicking your butt all over the lot,much to my amusement.
Lonnie says
Larry
You and Pinto do a fine job of representing the mentality of the Conservative base. Civitas Institute’s paid staff have spent decades fermenting the poison (hate, bigotry, and fear ) which motivates the post you’re making.
Larry says
Hate,bigotry,and fear,you are a broken record.The mentality of a conservative is common sense.I realize this is completely foreign to you.
Pinto says
Hey Larry, do you ever start wondering if maybe Lonnie is actually some kind of troll bot? You know, kind of like that Tay bot on Twitter that started spewing anti-Semitism and 9/11 conspiracy theories, and singing praises of Hitler after the 4chan trolls started feeding “her” their favorite flame bait?
It’s always occurred to me that had some leftard trolls gotten to “her” first, Tay might just as easily have started spewing leftist claptrap about “white privilege” and conspiracy theories about oil companies plotting against climate cultists, while singing praises of Margaret Sanger.
Take a look at Lonnie here, and his “talking points” all sound like a Tay bot under the influence of the likes of GLSEN and NAMBLA mindlessly parroting their propaganda. Do you suppose maybe if we gave him a Turing test, he might fail it?
Larry says
Pinto,
You are smarter than me,so you might be right.Or it could be old Lonnie drank the Kool-aid,or maybe he had a stroke.Either way you have been kicking his sick butt.If you haven’t seen it,we finally have the truth about Global Warming scam.Go to the article “CLF argues for rights of property owners in wind energy case.” Andy W. wrote about one of the leaders of this scam and how it was designed to destroy capitalism.I did a Google search and he is dead on.
Lonnie says
The conservative cult is on decline, HB2 was a huge miscalculation by those in the bubble.
This fall will be a huge progressive victory for those wanting responsible, honest, visionary government based in facts, science and educated leadership.
Larry says
Lonnie,
I remember the last election when you were saying the Demoturds were going to win big.Like the Global Warming lie,people are starting to pay attention to the lies people like you are telling them.You are going to get your butt kicked again.People are sick of Political incorrectness.Go back to La La Land and take a nap.70% don’t like your pervert bathrooms and you are going to get a big progressive win. Ha! Changed back to calling yourself a progressive instead of a Demoturd Socialist,I see.
Lonnie says
Larry
You’ve impressed me, how could someone with the ability to may a political argument using the word “Demoturds” not understand the political landscape. You just can’t fool the conservative base using facts, math or science.
Larry says
Lonnie,
Ability to May?The math is going to be counting up the number of votes Bernie or Hillary loses by.If you want facts,how about the lady telling the truth that Global Warming is a scam to destroy Capitalism.What system were we on when we became the richest country in world history. Capitalism.What system has the Demoturds taken us to since LBJ and all his give aways.Socialism.
Lonnie says
Being the richest country in the world while being the country with the greatest disparity between the rich and the poor gives no bragging rights to those holding political power. Workers and society need to be served by free market wealth.
Why should the majority support Capitalism if Capitalism doesn’t support society?
Lonnie says
It’s in the self interest of Free Market Capitalists to have a highly educated society, well paid workers with disposable income, safe streets with low crime and little social unrest unless that free market is selling guns, ammo, security systems war and prisons.
Larry says
Lonnie,
I said we were the richest country in the world.After years of Liberals running the Congress we are the largest debtor in the world.We have the biggest disparity now because we have lost millions of manufacturing jobs.Thanks to Clinton and free trading RINO’S when they passed NAFTA.There was not a 51% unemployment rate in young black men when Reagan was President.This country has never done better than under Reagan,that’s why a nationwide poll said he was the best President we ever had.
Larry says
Here is the truth about how the left lies.Thanks to AndyW.
Here’s what the loony lefty GW alarmists are REALLY trying to accomplish:
“At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.
“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally … to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years…” she said.” (Investor’s Business Daily, 2/10/2015)
From Michael Mann and Algore on down, GW has been a 100% political fraud and SCAM. There NEVER HAS BEEN ANY SCIENCE WORTH TWO HOOTS BEHIND IT!!! The “97% of scientists agree” is a SCAM. The “polar bears are all dying” is a SCAM. The “droughts, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, and fires will all explode in numbers” is a SCAM. Even the national database of terrestrial temperature measurement stations has been SCAMMED, since the RAW DATA has been MANIPULATED TO LOOK WARMER!!! Christiana Figueres is the Jonathan Gruber of climate politics. THANKS for spilling the TRUTH, Christiana!!!
Pinto says
Gee, I wonder why are thousands of rich people fleeing leftard workers’ paradises with “responsible, honest, visionary government based in facts, science and educated leadership” for their bunkers?
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/why-are-thousands-of-millionaires-fleeing-chicago-and-other-major-cities-around-the-world
Pinto says
“Journey to a futuristic Detroit… that’s become a bankrupt crime-riddled hellhole! Basically, present-day Detroit.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGemfKLV1JA
Pinto says
Muslims in cities with responsible, honest, visionary government based in facts, science and educated leadership deny butt bandits and pole smokers a “wedding” cake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4
Pinto says
“I’m just a guy with a mutilated penis!”
“Basically, yes.”
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104426/scramble-its-brains-or-vacuum-it-out
George says
NCCivitas reaps what it sows. The stance it has taken on HB2 is an embarrassment to NC…and its Leave a Comment section has been rightfully taken over by embarrassing comments.
This is a poorly written article, with a terrible opening sentence, ” When it comes to the HB2 controversy, we can all agree on at least one thing: that individuals must have the right to run their businesses based on their sincerely held beliefs, regardless of what those beliefs are.” We can???
Larry says
Yes,we can George.You must have a business first.Now if you have a business you can have any kind of bathrooms you want.But,it better be in a queer bar because any other business that has unisex bathrooms won’t be in business long.Lowe’s was all for these stupid unisex bathrooms but I bet you you would never see them in their stores.
Larry says
George says NCCivitas reaps what it sows.That is in every post from him.Why do liberals,progressives,socialists,and Commies repeat the same thing over and over and over?
Lonnie says
Larry
Please explain your definition of liberal, progressive and democratic socialist, after which please also post the definition of each from a dictionary.
George is calling you out for your rants of false narratives based in bigotry and ignorance.
The Jim Crow era of the old South is over, get with the New South.
Pinto says
Nothing new to say, George and Lonnie? If you backward Commie parasites stuck in the Jim Crow era are going to keep repeating the same lies about us, all we level-headed conservative New Southerners have to do is repeat the same truths about you.
Hey George, bake Adolf Hitler Campbell a cake, or you’re just like a Jim Crow era business owner refusing service to blacks, you racist!
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28269290/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/-year-old-hitler-cant-get-name-cake/
Pinto says
Hey George, why are you equating blacks and Jews to sex offenders like these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwMJAFWLtQ
You racist!
Pinto says
Gee, I wonder: why are thousands of rich people fleeing leftard workers’ paradises with “responsible, honest, visionary government based in facts, science and educated leadership” for their bunkers?
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/why-are-thousands-of-millionaires-fleeing-chicago-and-other-major-cities-around-the-world
Pinto says
Muslims in cities with responsible, honest, visionary government based in facts, science and educated leadership deny butt bandits and pole smokers a “wedding” cake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4
Pinto says
By the way, Larry, you know what the Next Big Cause™ for George and Lonnie is going to be? Incest:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3529572/I-m-love-son-want-baby-Mother-falls-son-gave-adoption-32-years-ago.html
Or, uh… “Genetic Sexual Attraction” as the perverts are putting it now. The leftards will soon declare properly naming it incest to be a “micro-aggression” and try to outlaw the word as “hate” speech. Doubtless, we’ll also be hearing of lawsuits against Christians for refusing to make wedding cakes for “marriages” between mothers and sons and fathers and daughters like the ones in this article.
That spewer of snide remarks about “dueling banjos” Lonnie will no doubt be on here mindlessly repeating whatever leftard agitprop in favor of incestuous “marriage” has been programmed into him that week… and continuing to snark hypocritically about “dueling banjos” every time we refute him with facts and logic. George will likewise be programmed to repeat his mindless complaining about how “poorly written” these articles are for confusing him with facts and logic again.
Lonnie says
Is this what conservatives call a jobs program?
http://towndock.net/newsextra/bathroom-re-opens-with-on-duty-compliance-officer
Larry says
Comrade Lonnie,
Did you really think people are dumb enough to believe this crap.I just wondered if you are stupid enough to believe it or if you think you will change people’s minds on this site.Anybody can tell this is staged.
Lonnie says
Larry
Like most conservatives you fail to have a sense of humor.
What makes it funny is the element of truth, conservatives have no way of enforcing their bigotry bill designed to scapegoat the LGBT tax paying citizens.
Pinto says
No, Lonnie, the problem is that you leftards just aren’t funny. Conservatives have a great sense of humor:
https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gmc14036720160412093700.jpg
Pinto says
Of course, Trey Parker and Matt Stone are still funnier than just about anybody:
http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s09e01-mr-garrisons-fancy-new-vagina
Pinto says
“No comet people! They weird me out!”
http://cheapcaffeine.net/?comic=819-science-friday
Pinto says
These talking fish have found just the right bathroom for dudes with delusions of femininity:
https://i.imgur.com/sIl2bSp.jpg
Pinto says
Nevertheless, comedy really just can’t keep up with reality anymore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTqFUWSvVUE
Pinto says
You have to get this gal a box of kitty litter, Lonnie, or you’re transpeciphobic bigot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sObPHx2QMY0
Larry says
Pinto,
As usual you are right.Incest will probably be next for those losers.Comrade Lonnie and Goofy George will be after mom or sisters,and we will be taking away their pervert rights.
Larry says
Lonnie,this video will give you a little education.Well,it would to a normal person.https://www.youtube.com/embed/tJnW8HRHLLw?feature=player_embedded
Lonnie says
Larry
When the facts on the issues being debated don’t match your small world view, just invent a new false narrative and debate the new imagined issue that has no bases in reality.
Liberals believe the earth’s rotation around the Sun requires one year to complete. Do conservatives share such science or is that just more liberal propaganda?
Larry says
Lonnie,
I found a good way to end gender confusion.Look in your underwear.
Larry says
Lonnie,
If you are an American who’s family has been on welfare for 3 generations,it’s not because the USA is unfair,racist,or prejudiced-it’s because you are a lazy,entitled loser.
Larry says
Lonnie,
If you said it,it’s liberal propaganda.
Larry says
Lonnie,
Exactly what is your fair share of what somebody else has worked for?
Pinto says
A mother demonstrates more common sense than every last Lawless Godless Bathroom Troll in the world:
http://injo.com/2016/04/586010-mom-has-extremely-sassy-way-of-making-point-about-transgender-bathrooms-and-it-has-people-talking/
Larry says
Pinto,
That gal has nailed it. I would like to see Comrade Lonnie’s answer for that.You know it would be the same old crap he has typed a thousand times.I wonder if he knows how stupid that makes him look,when he posts the same thing over and over.
Larry says
These shows how big a joke Snopes is.What difference does it matter what year this pervert did this.CLAIM: A California man was arrested in April 2016 for dressing in women’s clothes and surreptitiously filming women in a public bathroom.
MOSTLY FALSE
WHAT’S TRUE: A Palmdale, California, man posing as a woman was arrested in May 2013 for allegedly filming women in the bathroom of a Macy’s department store.
WHAT’S FALSE: The incident occurred in 2013, not 2016; the man did not identify himself as transgender; the man did not engage in activity protected under non-discrimination ordinances; and the man’s alleged actions were not deemed acceptable by people who support non-discrimination ordinances.I guess this makes it alright for the lefties at Snopes.
Lonnie says
Larry
Let me understand the rules we are using?
You, as a conservative have an opinions, so I’m free to label all conservatives based on yours and Pinto’s logic, morals and humanity, is that correct?
You’re free to fine the most hideous acts of violence committed by a person of the Islamic faith and broad brush ALL believers of Islam as guilty of that crime?
Is this the rules we’re using?
Larry says
Comrade Lonnie voter cheat,
You can label me anyway you please.Nobody pays you any attention except college kids that are clueless,and perverts that can’t get jobs because they look like they crawled out from under a rock.25 percent of American Muslims say they want Sharia law.You should know what that means Comrade,you will be one of the first thrown off a building.Just keep your head in the sand.What do you care about rules,you say there are no rules in morals.
Larry says
Lonnie,this should be self explanatory as a reason these people are so violent and crazy.UK: Muslims keep marrying first cousins despite the horrific genetic consequences
In the UK more than 50 per cent of British Pakistanis marry their first cousins – in Bradford that figure is 75 per cent – and across the country the practice is on the rise and also common among East African, Middle-Eastern and Bangladeshi communities.
By TAZEEN AHMAD My mum has always had a special place in her family because she was the first girl to live beyond childhood. Five of her sisters died as babies or toddlers. It was not until many years later that anyone worked out why so many children died and three boys were born deaf.
Lonnie says
Larry
The world has 1.6 Billion citizens of the Islamic faith, you can fine anything you want to find within that number.
The world also has 2.2 billion Christians and like wise you can find all sorts of cults and perversion within the Christian population from Jim Jones to anything you can imagine.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/08/25/nigeria.child.witches/
Pinto says
Yep, here we go again: more proof that when leftards don’t really care about the perverts, just about seizing more power. Observe that never once have leftards dared demand that Muslims bake and decorate a cake for the carpet munchers’ and pole smokers’ and butt bandits’ counterfeit of marriage and then sued them for not providing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4
Just like Ernst Röhm and his SA during the Night of the Long Knives, when the Muslim terrorist-supporting wing of the leftards’ hate groups makes its move, all the perverts and their panderers will be purged. Lonnie, of course, will side with the Muslims, because that’s what leftards always do: side with the oppressors against the oppressed.
Pinto says
Remember, folks, Lonnie and his fellow leftards keep insisting that this kind of thing never happens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XHGmOjcRYc
When we point out proofs that it does, they just start quacking about “isolated incidents” and “false narratives” and shouting louder that this kind of thing never happens!
Pinto says
Yeah, it’s not that all leftards are lying hateful goose-stepping bigots like Lonnie. It’s just the 100% who keep making the other 0% look bad, statistically speaking.
Larry says
Hey Pinto,
Comrade Lonnie is mostly on One board member vetoes hour changes.I have been making him look stupid all day and I need a break.You are better than I am at making him look stupid.Go get him.
Lonnie says
Larry
Let’s get the quote right ” Morality is doing what is right no matter what your religon tells you and religion is doing what you’re told no matter what is right.” H. L. Mencken
Larry says
Lonnie,
Interesting you would guote a racist and Jew hater.Now I understand more about you.That’s why you love Muslims.Problem is they don’t love you.
Pinto says
“Gentlemen, I was wrong.”
—H.L. Mencken upon facing his eternal judgment.
(Well, that’s what he said he would say; no way of telling whether he kept his promise.)
Pinto says
“We’re boycotting the whole South?”
“That’s one way to look at it.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2016-04/196377_5_.jpg
Pinto says
“Symbolic of his struggle against reality!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgp9MPLEAqA
Larry says
Pinto,
Maybe that’s the deal,Comrade Lonnie wants to be Comrade Loretta.Hr was have forgotten how Muslims treat their women.
Pinto says
Leftard SCIENCE!!! said that milk and gasoline were going to be ridiculously expensive, a billion people would be malnourished, and New York City was going to be flooded by 2015:
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/06/12/flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-june
My eyes and ears keep telling me that none of this crap leftard SCIENCE!!! predicts ever actually happens, but I guess they must just be feeding me another “false narrative” or something.
Pinto says
All your perverts had better stay in the closet while you’re in Dubai, Cirque du Soleil:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/04/15/cirque-du-solei-cancels-north-carolina-shows-over-public-facilities-act-plans-shows-in-dubai-where-gays-are-put-to-death/
That goes for all your “straight” fornicators and adulterers too, by the way; Dubai’s Muslims aren’t that discriminating about such things, so to speak.
Larry says
I won’t miss this,but I will make sure I miss it when I am in Florida.I will put this in the write in section of the papers on the west and east coast.We need to put this anywhere we can on the Internet.I refuse to let these queers bully me anymore.
Larry says
Comrade Lonnie,
Your hero Comrade Bernie made 200,000 last year and paid 13.5% in taxes last year.The average Billionaire paid 28%.How is that for typical Hypocrite Democrat Socialist.
Lonnie says
Larry
Bernie and his wife would have paid an additional 4.65% on most if not all of that income billionaires would only pay on the first $118,000. During the Romney campaign Romney’s tax rate was just under 13.9% a rate where most billionaires pay. Remember billionaires can afford accountants, attorneys, lobbyist, PUblic Relations professionals, TV ads, advocacy groups like Civitas Institute and politicians.
It’s always good to see your courage to defend the billionaire class against those without wealth or political power.
Lonnie says
As Civitas Institute lobby’s for a return of the Jim Crow south, lets remember where false narratives, bigotry, racist, scapegoats and fear mongering leads.
This is the history of Jim Crow era terrorism. Read the comments by the conservative posters here on this site.
https://www.facebook.com/O.OrigenalMuzik/
Lonnie says
This is the correct link for the post above.
https://www.facebook.com/O.OrigenalMuzik/videos/1103507259716112/
Larry says
Comrade Lonnie,Like Bernie you are a liar.Last summer, the IRS released data on taxpayer incomes that offers intriguing insight into the taxes rich Americans pay.
The information suggests that the average person with an income north of $1 million per year pays 25% or more of adjusted gross income in taxes. Exactly how much money does the average American with a seven-figure-plus income pay in taxes? Read on to find out.
Regular filers
The IRS reports that 44,500 Americans with adjusted gross income north of $1 million filed income tax returns using regular tax computation methods in 2013, including 2,100 Americans with incomes of $5 million or more.
Among those filers, Americans with income between $1 million and $1.5 million paid 28.1% of their adjusted gross income in taxes, or an average of $335,912.
Taxpayers within the $2 million to $5 million range paid an average 29.9% of their adjusted gross income in taxes, or an average of $862,938 per filer. And people with $10 million or more in income paid 27% of their adjusted gross income in taxes, or an average of $6.18 million per filer.
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SOURCE: IRS DATA FOR 2013. REGULAR FILERS ONLY.
Schedule D filers
The IRS also reports that 299,741 millionaire income earners filed tax returns with a schedule D, the form used to report short- and long-term capital gains.
Among Americans in that camp with income between $1 million and $1.5 million, the average tax on adjusted gross income was 28.3%, and the average income tax paid was $341,275.
Americans earning between $2 million and $5 million had an average tax rate on adjusted gross income of 29.5%, resulting in an average tax bill of $876,770. And the tax rate for the richest of the rich — those with incomes above $10 million — was 26.2%, leading to an average tax bill of $7.74 million.
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SOURCE: IRS DATA FOR 2013. SCHEDULE D FILERS ONLY.
Fair play?
Billionaire investing guru Warren Buffett is famous for saying that he pays a lower income tax rate than his secretary, and he and other wealthy Americans unquestionably benefit from specific parts of the tax code, including a lower tax rate on capital gains.
Wealthy investment managers of certain partnerships, such as hedge funds, also benefit from the carried interest deduction, a quirk that allows them to categorize their 20% share in profits as capital gains, rather than income.
Thanks to tax loopholes like those, one out of every three of America’s top 400 income earners, each of whom had income above $110 million, paid a tax rate that was less than 15% in 2008, according to a 2012 report from the White House’s National Economic Council.
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SOURCE: WHITE HOUSE NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL.
Those Americans aside, the IRS data does suggest that many wealthy Americans do pay a higher tax rate than middle-class Americans, and therefore, tax reformists shouldn’t cast too broad of a brushstroke across all millionaires.
No one wants to pay more in taxes than necessary, and there are reasonable exemptions that every American should embrace regardless of income, including tax-advantaged retirement accounts, health savings or flex-savings accounts, and college 529 savings plans.
Lonnie says
Larry
Such courage!!! What a guy.
Larry says
Your boy George Soros likes to hide his in Ireland.
You don’t have courage,you just lie like all Democrats.George Soros likes to say the rich should pay more taxes. A substantial part of his wealth, though, comes from delaying them. While building a record as one of the world’s greatest investors, the 84-year-old billionaire used a loophole that allowed him to defer taxes on fees paid by clients and reinvest them in his fund, where they continued to grow tax-free. At the end of 2013, Soros—through Soros Fund Management—had amassed $13.3 billion through the use of deferrals, according to Irish regulatory filings by Soros.
Congress closed the loophole in 2008 and ordered hedge fund managers who used it to pay the accumulated taxes by 2017. A New York-based money manager such as Soros would be subject to a federal rate of 39.6 percent, combined state and city levies totaling 12 percent, and an additional 3.8 percent tax on investment income to pay for Obamacare, according to Andrew Needham, a tax partner at Cravath, Swaine & Moore. Applying those rates to Soros’s deferred income would create a tax bill of $6.7 billion. That calculation is based on publicly available information such as the Irish regulatory filings, which provide only a partial glimpse into Soros’s finances. The actual tax bill would be affected by factors specific to the billionaire. Soros declined to comment, according to Michael Vachon, a spokesman, as did Anthony Burke, an IRS spokesman.
Just before Congress closed the loophole, Soros transferred assets to Ireland—a country seen by some at the time as a possible refuge from the law. The filings show for the first time the extent to which Soros’s almost $30 billion fortune—he ranks 23rd on the Bloomberg Billionaires Index—came from finding ways to delay taxes and reinvesting the money in his fund.
Larry says
Comrade Lonnie,
Why do you lie so much.The IRS puts all this info on the Internet,did you think I couldn’t find it?
Larry says
Lonnie,
It doesn’t take courage to tell the truth.You should try it sometime.
Lonnie says
Larry
“The leaders of Duke University, UNC-Chapel Hill’s Faculty Council and the Greater Durham Chamber of Commerce have joined calls for the repeal of House Bill 2.
The law also prompted two more bands to cancel North Carolina shows. Classic rock band Boston canceled concerts next month in Raleigh, Durham and Charlotte, calling HB2 “an oppressive discriminatory law against a small minority.” Pearl Jam, a rock band known for its activism, later Monday canceled a Raleigh show set for Wednesday and said it would donate to “local groups” fighting the law.
“This will be upsetting to those who have tickets and you can be assured that we are equally frustrated by the situation,” Pearl Jam wrote on its website.
The president and two top administrators at Duke University also released a statement Monday calling for repeal, saying HB2 “runs counter to the ideals of Duke.”
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article72453082.html#storylink=cpy
Lonnie says
“Pulitzer Prize-winner Jose Antonio Vargas, a gay, undocumented journalist from the Philippines known for his provocative documentary on the multicultural debate and divide, comes to Davidson College this week as North Carolina remains a focal point in battles over LGBT rights and illegal immigration.”
http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/morning-edition/2016/04/pulitzer-winner-to-take-on-immigration-hb-2-at.html
Lonnie says
Larry
Because you believe Civitas Propaganda doesn’t make it true.
Rich says
“I mentioned that according to HB2, individuals who have undergone gender reassignment surgery MAY use the restroom that correlates with the gender on their birth certificate.” And then the guests at the table all exclaimed that this new twist on HB2 makes everything all right. The disingenuousness of this comment is appalling in its obfuscation. The law states that every individual is REQUIRED to use a public bathroom that corresponds with their sex at birth. Why on earth would a transgendered, sex-reassigned individual ever choose to use a bathroom not suited to their needs? This law is ludicrous, unenforceable and discriminatory at its core. Now, let the name-calling begin.
Larry says
Lonnie,
Saying that Civitas doesn’t say the truth is really funny.I have posted so many articles that prove you are a liar.What is an illegal guy doing at Davidson college giving a speech.When Trump wins he is going back where he came from.
Lonnie says
Following the rules set out by conservative posters here, I should be free to label all Conservatives a with this GOP politicians behavior.
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/03/02/disgusting-nh-rep-kyle-tasker-arrested-for-drug-possession-and-intent-to-sexually-assault-a-minor/
Pinto says
“The only difference between democrats and republicans when it comes to sex offenders is: Democrats have more, and re-elect them.”
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f4c_1254342072
Pinto says
Since you’re just repeating the same leftard lies over and over and over again, let’s recap a few proofs that you gaystapo goose-steppers are completely out of touch with reality on all points.
First: more than 300 businesses (the majority of them NOT subsidized by the state the way so many of the hypocritical corporate-welfare-sucking parasites opposing girls’ and women’s privacy and security are) support McCrory’s action:
http://keepncsafe.org/hundreds-business-leaders-show-support-hb2-governor-mccrory/
Pinto says
The writer of Charlotte’s unpopular ordnance is a sex offender:
http://keepncsafe.org/charlotte-lgbt-chamber-president/
Pinto says
Gee, what could possibly go wrong with letting guys pretending to be gals into girls’ and women’s bathroom?
https://ricochet.com/the-battle-for-the-bathrooms/
Pinto says
Lyin’ leftard Lonnie would sure love to do to N.C. what his child-abusing gaystapo has already done to Seattle:
http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/man-in-womens-locker-room-cites-right-to-be-there/
Pinto says
Just another isolated incident, people:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/man-arrested-in-mcdonalds-bathroom-assault_20151107012115973
Pinto says
No really, it’s an isolated incident!
http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb/28/local/la-me-ln-sex-assault-west-hollywood-club-20140228
Pinto says
Isolated incident:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_29596378/los-medanos-college-female-student-sexually-assaulted-by
Pinto says
Stop confusing voyeur and exhibitionist enablers like lyin’ Lonnie with the facts from these isolated incidents!
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Secret-Recording-Store-Mall-Antelope-Valley-Palmdale-Restroom-207541101.html
Pinto says
Curse you, isolated incident! Curse you for undermining the leftards’ false narrative!
http://komonews.com/archive/police-man-in-bra-and-wig-found-in-womens-bathroom
Pinto says
Isolated incident! Besides, hateful gaystapo goose-steppers know way better than you cis-genders what’s good for you!
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/park-bathroom-rape-attempt-woman-63-article-1.2402274
Pinto says
Stop accusing perverts and their enablers of being the criminals they are! It’s just another isolated incident:
http://www.wvtm13.com/news/tuscaloosa-man-charged-in-hospital-sexual-assault/37420070
Pinto says
Restroom rape never happens! It’s just an isolated incident! Lonnie the gaystapo goose-stepper says so!
http://www.13abc.com/home/headlines/Authorities-looking-for-man-who-assaulted-girl-in-restroom-299346481.html
Pinto says
Another refutation against lyin’ Lonnie and his gaystapo goose-stepper fake-gender-pushing bathroom bandits:
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/no-gays-and-transgenders-are-not-being-bullied-they-are-the-bullies/
Pinto says
A black man agrees “chicks” with dicks should not be allowed in girls’ and women’s rooms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnxrEoRj1fw
Guess he must be an “Oreo” according to racists like you, huh, Lonnie?
Larry says
Comrade Lonnie,
All your posts prove is we have let our colleges become Socialist and gay professor heaven.If they are private they can do what ever they please,but taxpayer supported schools should not be left wing propaganda mills that they have become.College should be a place where different ideas are presented to the kids.The way they are now,the left wing dominated faculty tells the kids to be a Lonnie and cause a riot so no one can hear a conservative viewpoint.We taxpayers need to let these schools know that we won’t tolerate this anymore.
Pinto says
More “isolated” incidents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwMJAFWLtQ
Pinto says
Of course, it’s worth remembering that leftards don’t want you reading the actual bill, since if you did, you’d see that Dowdy’s statement that “individuals who have undergone gender reassignment surgery may use the restroom that correlates with the gender on their birth certificate” is absolutely right. Here’s the bill:
http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/House/PDF/H2v3.pdf
The passage that proves Dowdy’s claim to be accurate is in the statement of definitions near the top:
“(1) Biological sex. – The physical condition of being male or female, which is stated on a person’s birth certificate.” [Emphasis mine.]
Now notably, in their pandering to the trannies’ delusions, leftards have specifically allowed the other-sex-wannabes to change their birth certificates along with turning their genitals inside out. Therefore, as retarded as it is to pander to the trannies’ mental illness in this fashion, it remains that any trannies dedicated enough to their delusions to have their sex legally changed can indeed enter a bathroom opposite what their chromosomes scientifically proclaim them to be in order to take a leak or a dump under HB2 right now.
Larry says
Lying Lonnie,
You are always trying to equate Muslims with Christians.Send me a link where Christians are chopping people’s heads off,sending planes into buildings,blowing up buildings,buses,airplanes.Send me one where Christians are throwing queers off buildings,stoning,or setting them on fire.If you find one I will send you a hundred of Muslims doing just that.
Pinto says
“Oh, I’m just a Bill, but I’d like to be Jill…”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUJgbWrM64
Pinto says
Most women agree with science that “identifying” as a woman doesn’t make you one:
http://www.youngcons.com/man-does-social-experiment-about-transgenders-and-bathrooms-finds-out-most-women-are-uncomfortable-with-it/